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Episode 132: How to Keep Going When You Want to Give Up with Matt, Laurie & Steve

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42 minutes | Friday, July 31, 2020
Welcome to Season 4! We're kicking off this season with a discussion on endurance and courage! What do we do when suffering hits and we're called upon to continue in the work God has given us? Join Matt, Laurie, and Steve as we explore practices and experiences that help build up "endurance muscles" for any form of suffering.  //: Highlights: “More and more, [looking back] instills more trust that the God we worship is going to be with me.” -Matt Krieg “Staying in the world, where God has us, is where endurance is required—*and* dependence on Him is required.” -Steve O’Dell “ ...[I]f I can ...
49 minutes | Friday, June 26, 2020
Guys! It's the season three finale! After walking through this episode, we felt this season gutted us in the best way and offered hope when we needed it. We did get practical (our theme this season), and we did get real (our constant desire). We were so grateful to listen back to highlight clips from some of our favorites and yours: 1. Episode 99:A Gender Conversation Part 2 Heather Skriba 2. Episode 92: Broken/Beloved Pastors Part 2 with Johnny and Amanda 3. Episode 96: Healthy Friendship and Touch as a Single Person with Meg Baatz 4. Episode 104: Practically Living Life in the Presence of...
51 minutes | Friday, June 19, 2020
*Real* talk: Authenticity seems to be currency we can "use" to deepen friendships, feel seen, or even to get more followers.  But that type of authenticity--that is an end in itself--isn't what we are calling "authentic authenticity." There is selfishness in it, and the fruit produced from it ... tastes gross. How can we and why should we be truly authentic? How can single people experience this? How can married people if their spouse is unwilling to go to the emotional depths?  Let's get this this real conversation rolling with author and Fierce Marriage creator, Ryan Frederick. *Note: The...
50 minutes | Friday, June 12, 2020
Today is question and answer time with Matt and Laurie! We cover a lot including these questions: How did we first meet Steve? How do we handle Pride Month? How do we plan to address our mixed-orientation marriage with our kids? How can straight, single guys and girls be friends without the relationship getting weird? If we, as a married couple, invite a single person into our home how can we prevent it from becoming a situation where one of us falls in love with the single person? How can I care for my bisexual friend without compromising my beliefs or pushing my beliefs on her? How can I ...
53 minutes | Friday, June 5, 2020
**FIRST: We have VIDEO!! WATCH this episode here.** In the midst of national and global suffering, it seems almost wrong to put the word "hope" near it. However, pastor and author Sam Collier, alongside his wife and ministry leader, Toni Collier, know how to carry both hurt and hope in each hand. How can we do that, too? Just ... listen. //: Highlights: “It’s impossible to pursue justice without hope.” –Sam “The gospel compels us to be one. I don’t think we get the luxury as believers to forfeit the fight of racism or anything that is keeping us apart. It is a gospel mandate. People say, ‘J...
47 minutes | Friday, May 29, 2020
How would you respond if you found pornography on your kid's phone? (Listeners without kids but who are equally valuable disciple-makers: How would you recommend your friend respond to their kids if they found this?) Author and speaker, Lee Neinhuis, had to deal with this exact situation, and it taught her, her son, and her family a lot about grace and truth. But how do we engage not only this specific satiation, but how do we cultivate deep roots in our kids/friend's kids/youth group kids when they are growing up in this extremely challenging cultural context? Let's dive in.   //: Highligh...
45 minutes | Friday, May 22, 2020
Do you know anyone processing past trauma while muddling through this pandemic trauma? Maybe it is you? Maybe it is a friend? Maybe it will be someone you meet tomorrow? How can we hear and love them well? How can we care for ourselves if we have gone through pain in our past and things have resurfaced in the pandemic? How can we process how this season has been challenging for everyone--whether or not we have gone through another traumatic event? How can we process our pain? Speaker and author of "We Too," Mary DeMuth, has some tender, encouraging words for us today.   //: Highlights: "Thi...
41 minutes | Friday, May 15, 2020
This conversation feels like sitting down with a dear friend over tea. I can envision us starting out with a sigh, a sip of Earl Grey, and saying: "So, this pandemic has been hard. I haven't *only* been running to Jesus. I've made some mistakes. Can you help think through what is going on in my heart?" Bestselling author and speaker, Dee Brestin, hears our words, gently translates them into heart idols (power/control, comfort, or approval), and offers us some really practical next steps. This conversation is what our ragged souls need. //: Highlights: "God has given us these needs that he p...
45 minutes | Thursday, May 7, 2020
It's time. We finally brought in some Enneagram experts. Beth and Jeff McCord are definitely Enneagram experts, and are definitely not weird about it. Their approach is focused on the gospel, takes in mind Core Longings (!!), childhood woundings, and even though we  invited them to talk marriage and the Enneagram, the conversation (as always) was applicable to all humans--no matter their marital status. We also asked how each Enneagram type might be responding to the pandemic. (It. Was. Fascinating!) We can't stop thinking about this episode or their book. Get it, fam. //: Highlights: "The ...
53 minutes | Friday, May 1, 2020
So. Has God called you to singleness or marriage? How did you discern that? If you are called to singleness, is it temporary or for life? How did you discern that? If you are called to lifelong singleness ("vocational singleness," as our guest today calls it), is there a creative way to not be lonely in the midst of it? Why not start a modern-day monastery? That's what today's guest, Pieter Valk, did, and the conversation about the modern-day monastery's origins and daily life (including how it has changed in the pandemic) was fascinating.  We also explore how to hear the voice of God, and...
57 minutes | Friday, April 24, 2020
In the circles we run, there is one common answer to the question: What will be the next thing when it comes to sexuality? Their answer? Polyamorous relationships. What do you know about them? (Other than that they are a romantic, sexual relationship between three or more people?) Did you know that 24% of church-going people think that consensual non-monogamous relationships are morally acceptable? Or that as many as 1 in 5 Americans have been in a consensual non-monogamous relationship, and 5% are currently in one? (That’s about as many people who identify as LGBTQ+.) How can we biblically...
43 minutes | Friday, April 17, 2020
But what about the kids? **We recorded this episode pre-quarantine, and once again, God provided the content we needed for this unforeseen moment. I know our own kids (Matt and Laurie's) are wrestling with their emotional balance in this quarantine life. Are the kids or young adults in your life struggling at all? Let's help them, yeah? (Whether they are wrestling with anxiety, depression, have been walking a journey on the autism spectrum, or have experienced sexual trauma as kids.) The person who is going to help us to help them is Dr. Matthew Stanford, CEO of the Hope and Healing Center ...
52 minutes | Friday, April 10, 2020
This is the therapy sesh we all need right now.  Counselor, author, and teacher, Dr. Alison Cook, co-author of Boundaries for Your Soul has a word for us about what to do with our overwhelming thoughts and emotions. (Anyone got some of those these days?) But, what can we do with them? We can turn them into our allies. "Emotions are not your enemy, they are queues," she said. "Learn about them, pay attention to them, don’t let them rule you, but get to know them. Let them be an aid to you  on your journey to wholeness."  How do we do that? Alison does a beautiful job of helping us take not j...
49 minutes | Friday, April 3, 2020
Again. God, in His mercy, knew that we would need this episode today when we recorded it over one month ago. Today, Matt and I (Laurie) introduce you to our for-real small group. These are people who are a huge part of our lives and are truly the reason Matt and I are still married. In an age where large-group churches cannot meet and small groups are meeting online, this group has become even more of our lifeline. Now, we don't just meet every-other week for a couple of hours hours, we meet online every week, have started a daily online Bible reading together, and are texting and praying f...
43 minutes | Friday, March 27, 2020
In this home-centered, pandemic-laden world we are in, God, in his kindness, had Matt and I (Laurie) record a mini-series last month where we opened up our real world to you. Today, we are sharing it. In episode two of three of the "Our World" series, we invited our friend, Stephanie Thole, to help us learn how to have a conversation bridging the gap between sexuality and race conversations. Are these conversations so similar? Are they so different? Is it really true that if you are pro- "Black Lives Matter" you also must be pro- "Love is Love"? Hang out with us and our real-life friends to...
44 minutes | Friday, March 20, 2020
As many of us hunker down into our homes, Matt and I (Laurie) open up our real lives to you. In this "Our World" mini series, will cover the following topics: 1. When I walked with someone for months and it seemed like a failure, 2. The sticky intersection between the race and LGBT+ conversations, 3. How God encouraged us to form a small group that has changed our lives. Today: When discipleship "fails." I walked away from a discipleship relationship with Kara Martin several years ago feeling hopeful but doubtful. I was hopeful she would follow Jesus, but I wasn't sure I did anything to he...
41 minutes | Friday, March 13, 2020
This is timely. In the midst of a global pandemic, one of the stock market's worst weeks, and fear invading many corners of our hearts, bestselling author, John Eldredge, brings a critical message to the podcast table this week. “Your soul is never meant to carry all of this," he said. "The human soul is not designed for these conditions.” It isn't. We are not meant to carry the insanity of a broken world. So how do we engage it with maturity? Learn with us as we talk through a message that literally changed (and is changing) our lives. //: Highlights: “The world that we live in gets everyb...
37 minutes | Friday, March 6, 2020
"Let us run with endurance the race God has set before us," the writer of Hebrews tells us (Heb. 12:1). But what does that mean, exactly? Where are we going? To death? To the New Heavens and New Earth? To more suffering? And how do we run this race without being legalistic about it: Just keep swimming. Just keep going. Just do it. That's what Christians do. Author and teacher, Trillia Newbell, helps us understand more of this race running in a compelling conversation that we hope will inspire you to take the next right step.   //: Highlights:  “What legalism is is you’re trying to walk the ...
46 minutes | Thursday, February 27, 2020
Yes, yes, yes, we know: We live in a sex-saturated world. Move on, right?  Maybe. But is there something we can do about it? Do we simply have to endure the brokenness around us and within us, or can we take some Christ-following steps in the right direction? Our dear friend and newly minted author, Rachel Gilson, thinks we can. Her critical new book, Born Again This Way, not only tells the story of how she came to Christ at Yale through a stolen copy of Mere Christianity, but she unpacks how someone who experiences same-sex attraction can do the stumbly discipleship walk of daily surrender...
51 minutes | Friday, February 21, 2020
Identity. Labels. Names. Who are you? God knows. No, not like, "Oh, only God knows," but like, He knows you. Knows us. Knows our true identity. Esther Fleece Allen, author of the new book, Your New Name: Saying Goodbye to Labels that Limit, is determined to help us know it, too. Her story is gripping, and her love for Jesus and people is palpable. Join us?   //: Highlights: “If I don’t know who I am and who God names me, I will inevitably be redefined and renamed by the culture.” --Esther Fleece Allen “I was thirteen ... I probably should have gone into the foster care system. I didn’t know...
37 minutes | Friday, February 14, 2020
Is anyone tired? Is anyone a tired leader? Author, teacher, and today's guest, Ruth Haley Barton, cares about you and the wellness of your soul (and so do we). But who is a leader? "If anybody is following you," Barton said, "then you are a leader and you need to pay attention to your leadership and the influence you are having on the world." This means stay-at-home parents, ministry leaders, people in the marketplace, and all of you with followers on the socials are leaders. We are tired as leaders, Ruth! She gets that, which is why we dove into how we can uplift our souls today on the pod...
58 minutes | Friday, February 7, 2020
Oh, guys. We went to town on this one. David Bennett, a former atheist gay activist turned Christian apologist, came back to the HIMH podcast for the second time and turned. It. Up.  We talked about why in the world gay/straight/everyone needs to engage this sexuality conversation, the “slippery slope” of universalism, debating people on the internet, and how to practically love our friends who disagree with us with genuine love and gentleness. Listen to all the grit and the glory, and then … how about we start a revival after, yeah? This, in our humble opinion, is not one to miss.   //: Hi...
54 minutes | Friday, January 31, 2020
Because of this interview, I [Laurie] called the trafficking hotline for a suspicious building I drive past. I didn't know if that was a weird or helpful thing to do before before talking with our guest today, Rebecca Bender. Rebecca is the author of the new book, In Pursuit of Love, is a survivor of human trafficking, and has trained law enforcement officers, Homeland Security and the FBI on how to approach anti-human trafficking efforts. She also trained us a bit through this interview. “What’s really important is trafficked victims like myself grow up in the same culture as all of you," ...
55 minutes | Friday, January 24, 2020
Anyone relate to thinking that life will be x, but then it’s not even y … it ends up being q? Or t? Or 27? How do we deal with these unmet expectations besides throwing clichés and sprinkling a lil’ Jesus on it? Author, teacher, and broadcaster Sheridan Voysey offers zero clichés and all real-life learning how to suffer well with his own version of facing “When Life Doesn’t Go as Planned.” Get it, fam.   //: Highlights: “You think about trying for a child? Every month there is an expectation followed by disappointment. An expectation followed by disappointment … That’s the first three or fo...
44 minutes | Friday, January 17, 2020
Bestselling author and pastor David Platt rocks. He navigated our interview with humility and courage. Not only did he open up his heart and journals with us about his new book 'Something Needs to Change' (and how he went from writing "coldhearted" sermons about poverty and sex trafficking to weeping about them both), but he also encouraged us and leaders everywhere not to sit down when it comes to engaging culture's urgent challenging questions about sexuality. Hear his humble exhortation with us today on the podcast.   //: Highlights: "If I preach the whole counsel of God but ignore the a...
1 hour 8 minutes | Friday, January 10, 2020
Maybe it's just us, maybe it's just our generation . . . maybe it's just this year? But it seems to us as if the vulnerable pursuit that comes with friendship can be extra challenging for some men. Can we get an a-men? (Ha...) Today, we invited some of our new friends, Sam and Blaine Eldredge (yes, the sons of John and Stasi), to help us better understand why friendships for men can be extra challenging. We talk about some intense (and fun) things, of course, including: What do are you nerdy about? Why don't many men pursue each other's hearts? (How can they?) How can men neither detach fro...
56 minutes | Friday, January 3, 2020
New year, new Hole in My Heart Podcast theme music, new website ... what else is new? Well, with all of this new, how about something old? Like throwback time? Matt and Laurie realized that there are many NEW listeners out there, and you might not know their stories. So, we deep-dive a bit into them. Matt talks about the heart of his journey with pornography addiction (and how he finally got set free from it), and Laurie talks about her discipleship journey with her version of broken sexuality. We also take your premarital questions. (Ya'll send us quite a few! We love them--any variety. Ke...
40 minutes | Friday, December 27, 2019
Guys. We wrote a study! And it's been published! I--Laurie--began writing this while I was walking out my discipleship journey with my mentor, Carolyn. I take the lessons she taught me, sprinkle additional ones God has brought me through over the years, and invite you to join me on the journey. We explore things like how to listen to God, lament, what to do with temptation, how to process shame, Core Needs, and lots more. This is literally the book I wish I had been able to walk through when I was wrestling the most with my sexuality. It is zero percent conversion therapy. It is all the gos...
12 minutes | Friday, December 20, 2019
Let's just have a little fun, yeah? Gwyn and Juliette Krieg, Matt and Laurie's two oldest kids, come into the studio to discuss favorite parts about Christmas, what to do when you feel lonely and there is no one to hug, and--because we can't stop won't stop--what marriage means to them. Merry Christmas, podcast fam! For More: https://lauriekrieg.com/podcast/merry-christmas-from-the-krieg-kids/
52 minutes | Friday, December 13, 2019
Okay, guys. This one. I don't think we have ever been as surprised as we were with Kenneth Boa. He is a highly accomplished scholar, author, and teacher--with four degrees (and two doctoral degrees)--and good grief: When we asked him the questions we ask everyone (about when the gospel was first good news for him) we were floored. This guy came to Christ while on an LSD trip during the summer of love in the 1960s. Yep. You heard it here, guys. You have to listen to understand and believe how God did it. After recovering from our shock, we were surprised again: Ken is not just an academic gu...
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Episode 132: How to Keep Going When You Want to Give Up with Matt, Laurie & Steve
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